WEBVTT 1 00:01:30.750 --> 00:01:32.010 Mel Baker: Your dinner, Robert. 2 00:01:45.050 --> 00:01:45.880 Phil James: Hi there. 3 00:01:46.230 --> 00:01:46.890 Mel Baker: Yay. 4 00:01:48.520 --> 00:01:50.719 Phil James: Hopefully it'll be more than you and me, but… 5 00:01:51.240 --> 00:01:54.639 Phil James: We have an agenda, even if it is. 6 00:01:55.460 --> 00:01:57.199 Mel Baker: You shared the agenda, right? 7 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:57.750 Phil James: Yep. 8 00:01:58.300 --> 00:01:59.639 Mel Baker: I'm trying to find out what… 9 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:07.870 Phil James: It's in the meetings… It's attached to, it's in a file on the website, and 10 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:11.439 Phil James: It's in… it's on the website in the meetings. 11 00:02:11.810 --> 00:02:12.920 Phil James: Ariel. 12 00:02:13.210 --> 00:02:14.120 Mel Baker: Okay. 13 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.389 Phil James: I think I sent it, or I sent a link to it in my email. 14 00:02:31.040 --> 00:02:32.919 Mel Baker: Is Les gonna be with us, or… 15 00:02:33.290 --> 00:02:36.879 Phil James: I haven't heard eat anything, I don't think. 16 00:02:37.410 --> 00:02:40.219 Mel Baker: Is he still in… no, he's back in, New York. 17 00:02:40.220 --> 00:02:40.840 Phil James: Yeah. 18 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:50.649 Mel Baker: What was the… since it's just the two of us right now, and you haven't let anybody else in, what was the, 19 00:02:51.900 --> 00:02:52.720 Mel Baker: Idea… 20 00:02:52.760 --> 00:02:54.220 Phil James: We're being recorded. 21 00:02:55.250 --> 00:02:55.850 Mel Baker: Okay. 22 00:02:57.050 --> 00:02:58.099 Phil James: What was the what? 23 00:03:01.110 --> 00:03:03.719 Mel Baker: Or are there places that Les could go? 24 00:03:04.730 --> 00:03:12.569 Phil James: Oh, I… yeah, there's Les. Yeah, I put that on the agenda, because I didn't… I asked Les, hey, Les. 25 00:03:13.710 --> 00:03:16.229 Phil James: I asked Les for what sort of… 26 00:03:16.460 --> 00:03:22.959 Phil James: Support he's looking for, and, are we establishing goals for that? 27 00:03:25.870 --> 00:03:29.150 Phil James: Well, let's get started, since there's at least a couple of us. 28 00:03:29.440 --> 00:03:29.950 Mel Baker: Yep. 29 00:03:30.130 --> 00:03:42.860 Phil James: So, again, for posterity… So… On our website, 30 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:58.759 Phil James: on the meetings page is where I put the upcoming agenda, and then when it's done, if we have one, the AI summary of the meeting, and then the audio transcript of the meeting. We don't… 31 00:03:58.910 --> 00:04:03.219 Phil James: Post the video of the meeting, but we have it, so we keep those, so… 32 00:04:03.470 --> 00:04:13.229 Phil James: in inverse order, the most recent meetings at the top is where I put stuff about meetings. Someday, maybe David will do this. 33 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:27.209 Phil James: But basically, if people want to review what we've done at meetings, what we're going to talk about, and then a little bit about what we did talk about, that's on our meetings page. Our website is bearhistory.org. 34 00:04:27.280 --> 00:04:31.349 Phil James: And then there's a meetings page, and that's got information about meetings. 35 00:04:32.810 --> 00:04:43.460 Phil James: The Facebook page is our main way of organizing, and we just had a new member join this morning. We have 389 members in our group. 36 00:04:43.780 --> 00:04:44.490 Mel Baker: Wow. 37 00:04:44.810 --> 00:04:50.490 Phil James: So… big and growing. So, if people are members. 38 00:04:51.290 --> 00:04:55.440 Phil James: have your friends join. Basically. 39 00:04:55.870 --> 00:05:01.170 Phil James: There are questions, there are membership questions, And, 40 00:05:02.620 --> 00:05:05.090 Phil James: We asked, why are people interested in the group? 41 00:05:05.210 --> 00:05:06.960 Phil James: And, 42 00:05:07.230 --> 00:05:23.200 Phil James: do they agree to our rules of civility, basically? There's actually 5 rules, but these are the ones we ask people to agree to, and if people have a request, and they haven't asked, they haven't answered the rules, I send them a direct message if I can. 43 00:05:23.650 --> 00:05:32.200 Phil James: Blah blah blah. Okay, so… Okay, couple things on the agenda. The, something that… 44 00:05:32.400 --> 00:05:44.060 Phil James: the project supported in January is the book reading that we have Jessica videotape and audio tape. We have some files from her. I think it's complete, but 45 00:05:44.170 --> 00:05:49.729 Phil James: They're kind of in… they were in an odd format, or they… she… she shared them, she, they? 46 00:05:49.890 --> 00:06:00.259 Phil James: They were shared on a Google Drive, so it was a little bit hard to tell if everything is there, but I'm reviewing that now, and they have been paid, so… 47 00:06:00.780 --> 00:06:07.120 Phil James: we're… we're good there. I will send… Access to them to… 48 00:06:07.540 --> 00:06:12.430 Phil James: Les and Chris, and the other two participants, and… 49 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.170 Phil James: I think we'll host that in a separate little 50 00:06:15.470 --> 00:06:21.750 Phil James: page within the Bear History Project International website as well, so that's… Happening. 51 00:06:24.380 --> 00:06:32.939 Phil James: Okay, Alejandra and I still need to review. We think when Alejandra and I both look at our Bear History Project International 52 00:06:33.100 --> 00:06:35.219 Phil James: Chase Bank Account. 53 00:06:35.460 --> 00:06:39.939 Phil James: it looks like charges that he's made, or I've made. 54 00:06:40.450 --> 00:06:51.069 Phil James: appear in the Bear History Project International account, and I think it's just a matter of… it just looks that way. It's not… it's because I'm looking from my… 55 00:06:51.110 --> 00:07:03.999 Phil James: Chase account, and I'm an admin in the Bear History Project account, and so is he, but we both are trying to figure that out, and is there any money that he and or I owe to the project? Because 56 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.279 Phil James: There's been a couple transactions that look like they were… 57 00:07:07.620 --> 00:07:09.959 Phil James: weird. So, we're looking at that. 58 00:07:11.530 --> 00:07:16.419 Phil James: Alejandro did our annual tax filing. 59 00:07:17.620 --> 00:07:34.220 Phil James: Which is good. And, Hunter said he would do the official thank you to the Centaurs for all the support they've given us over several years. I don't know whether that's done or not yet. I will follow up with him. That's kind of his last official 60 00:07:34.610 --> 00:07:37.799 Phil James: Secretary duty thing to do. 61 00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:50.140 Phil James: And we are, you know, installing David as the new secretary, but, Hunter said he would do this… this one last thing. I think he still might help with some interviews, but he said this is the… 62 00:07:51.270 --> 00:07:58.090 Phil James: As he focuses more, on his PhD, he doesn't have time for board duties, and… 63 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:02.650 Phil James: secretary duties, but he said he would do this one thing, so I'm asking him about that. 64 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:13.030 Phil James: Les, since you're here, is there any sort of final report you want to say about the three visits that… 65 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.980 Phil James: I'll call it Nick's project, because he went and got the money for… 66 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:21.649 Phil James: to the original archives. Any reporting you want to do about those three visits? 67 00:08:22.060 --> 00:08:31.270 Les Wright: Well, okay, yeah, I think he already reported on the first two. At any rate, we did complete the third and final one. 68 00:08:31.810 --> 00:08:39.439 Les Wright: We have now… Reviewed and invent… you know, 69 00:08:40.380 --> 00:08:44.460 Les Wright: Cataloged as much as we can. 70 00:08:45.110 --> 00:08:56.750 Les Wright: Some of it is very specific, some of it is an overview, some of it, we didn't do because it seemed of least relevance. Andy Langdon was there. 71 00:08:57.030 --> 00:09:02.240 Les Wright: And hired a person to be his entire film crew. 72 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:14.530 Les Wright: And, we basically spent one whole day working with him, documenting us, doing archive work. 73 00:09:15.580 --> 00:09:24.420 Les Wright: Nick would be the best point person about what it all accomplished. He is extremely excited about it, and… 74 00:09:24.560 --> 00:09:30.340 Les Wright: It looks like the collection is… Extremely valuable. 75 00:09:30.680 --> 00:09:32.790 Phil James: And there were a couple, 76 00:09:32.990 --> 00:09:42.050 Phil James: There are a couple of missing items, some of which have been found. There were, like, videos that had been lent out, or went missing, as I recall, so… 77 00:09:42.810 --> 00:09:46.999 Phil James: That's good that we're kind of auditing and finding some stuff. 78 00:09:47.550 --> 00:09:48.550 Les Wright: Yep. 79 00:09:48.550 --> 00:09:54.740 Phil James: Later in the agenda, or if people look on our Facebook page. 80 00:09:56.160 --> 00:10:01.589 Phil James: there's a… We did a poll, which is… 81 00:10:02.220 --> 00:10:05.600 Phil James: Nick had asked you and me 82 00:10:06.010 --> 00:10:15.110 Phil James: what all should we use for taxonomy of the collection, if people are looking for the collection? Because he's heading a little project to… 83 00:10:15.300 --> 00:10:18.180 Phil James: help categorize what's there, right? So… 84 00:10:18.300 --> 00:10:38.009 Phil James: We asked our membership, which I think is a good chance for engagement, and these are the results. And I started this list, but people have added to it. So, what kind of material is it? Where is it primarily from or about? What language? Who's the primary author? When was it published? 85 00:10:38.250 --> 00:10:44.599 Phil James: Is it about a primary organization? And what is the genre? Paul added. I remember Paul added, so… 86 00:10:46.160 --> 00:10:51.969 Phil James: I reported that to Nick. I said I'd run it for a week, so that's been out there, so… 87 00:10:52.140 --> 00:10:52.840 Les Wright: Okay. 88 00:10:53.070 --> 00:10:57.330 Phil James: And then we're having some videotapes digitized. 89 00:10:57.710 --> 00:11:00.540 Phil James: And we paid for those. 90 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:06.120 Phil James: And… I don't… I haven't heard back about, 91 00:11:06.690 --> 00:11:09.900 Phil James: How they are… how that is progressing, but… 92 00:11:10.420 --> 00:11:17.170 Phil James: we paid for those in two chunks. I think the archives… They either wanted payment for… 93 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:25.150 Phil James: a bunch of it, or they only wanted so many videos out at once, whatever it is. So, that's in progress, but I haven't heard any more about 94 00:11:25.400 --> 00:11:28.070 Phil James: progress on that. Have you, Les, at all? 95 00:11:29.210 --> 00:11:34.509 Les Wright: No, I've actually not been in that loop. 96 00:11:34.690 --> 00:11:37.099 Phil James: Okay, I don't remember how many there were. 97 00:11:37.850 --> 00:11:43.710 Les Wright: One other thing I forgot to mention is that Nick and I will be writing 98 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:51.970 Les Wright: I think two reports, you know, are generating two documents for different, audiences. 99 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:54.770 Les Wright: Of, of our experience. 100 00:11:55.950 --> 00:11:56.770 Les Wright: Yep. 101 00:11:57.230 --> 00:11:57.830 Phil James: Right. 102 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:59.799 Phil James: Yeah, I should have mentioned that, too. 103 00:12:00.270 --> 00:12:07.399 Phil James: Les, and… You're also… We're calling those articles. 104 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:19.710 Phil James: I guess, articles. And then Nick is also organizing a how-to visiting the archives, right? 105 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.329 Les Wright: Yes, because it's extremely complicated. 106 00:12:27.490 --> 00:12:28.180 Les Wright: Yeah. 107 00:12:30.740 --> 00:12:35.330 Les Wright: It's kind of like if you remember the opening sequence to Get Smart. 108 00:12:35.930 --> 00:12:36.670 Phil James: Yes. 109 00:12:37.890 --> 00:12:39.070 Mel Baker: Da duh. 110 00:12:39.640 --> 00:12:41.950 Mel Baker: Into this vault, and into this vault. 111 00:12:43.040 --> 00:12:44.890 Phil James: Cornell has two L's, right? 112 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:45.850 Les Wright: Yes. 113 00:12:46.130 --> 00:12:46.760 Phil James: Okay. 114 00:12:46.910 --> 00:12:58.740 Phil James: Great, so… I did mention, the… Digitizing, done, okay. 115 00:13:02.410 --> 00:13:06.660 Mel Baker: Oh, will we have permission to put those on… we have a YouTube site, don't we? 116 00:13:06.830 --> 00:13:07.630 Mel Baker: Yeah. 117 00:13:07.630 --> 00:13:17.669 Phil James: It's the inverse. So what the Archives wants to do, what Cornell wants to do, is just make them available to people. So they're going to post them 118 00:13:17.940 --> 00:13:19.989 Phil James: for public consumption. 119 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:35.210 Phil James: And then we can go take a copy of them if we want, which I would suggest we do. But they're… I thought, like, what's gonna happen, and how are they, you know… No, but the art… the Cornell wants to just make them public. Like, okay, fine. 120 00:13:35.930 --> 00:13:39.050 Phil James: I'm for open sharing, so… Will… 121 00:13:39.050 --> 00:13:40.900 Mel Baker: We have to be careful, 122 00:13:41.050 --> 00:13:46.070 Mel Baker: If anything, we publish on YouTube, adult content. 123 00:13:46.380 --> 00:13:47.030 Phil James: Yep. 124 00:13:47.030 --> 00:13:52.700 Mel Baker: There's a range of what was acceptable, and we need to even put a marker on any strong language. 125 00:13:52.700 --> 00:13:53.270 Phil James: Yeah. 126 00:13:53.270 --> 00:13:56.680 Mel Baker: Just for safety's sake, because theoretically, if we could have… 127 00:13:57.130 --> 00:14:00.189 Mel Baker: Get enough hits over time, we could monetize some of that. 128 00:14:00.390 --> 00:14:03.900 Mel Baker: Some of our overall content, but we'll be demonetized if we don't. 129 00:14:05.060 --> 00:14:08.539 Phil James: Yeah, so we have, for the highlight reels. 130 00:14:08.690 --> 00:14:12.009 Phil James: We use the simple markings of 131 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:20.919 Phil James: And YouTube presents this at the top, which is… or on the main screen, which is, is this for children, or is this not for children? 132 00:14:20.920 --> 00:14:32.940 Phil James: And then, if you… I think it's… if you say, no, it's not designed for children, then there's a more complicated, like, well, is it language? Is it sexual content? There's all kinds of finer 133 00:14:32.990 --> 00:14:39.040 Phil James: So, we start with, none of our content is designed for children. We don't get any more specific of 134 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:44.720 Phil James: 18 or 16 or anything. We just say it's not designed for children. And then… 135 00:14:45.130 --> 00:14:50.680 Phil James: our highlight reels typically have swearing in it, so I'll usually, in the description, I'll add a 136 00:14:50.860 --> 00:14:58.850 Phil James: disclaimer about adult content, and just leave it at that, but that's a good reminder, Mel, thanks. Yeah. Again, if we're hosting a page of them. 137 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:00.769 Phil James: Again, people might… 138 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:12.529 Phil James: someone might post a link to something that we have a gate on, but we're just… the gate has a link to a YouTube video, which someone might go directly to the YouTube video, so… 139 00:15:13.020 --> 00:15:14.599 Phil James: Yeah. Cool. 140 00:15:16.040 --> 00:15:20.800 Phil James: Great. I looked at annual meeting notes… 141 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.639 Phil James: We're… I think we're covering everything here, 142 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:31.290 Phil James: digitizing, we talked about. Oh, so I sent some pins and some business cards to Nick. 143 00:15:31.530 --> 00:15:41.310 Phil James: They've been stuck in customs limbo. I think they got stuck in the lovely… Presidential Tariff Wars. 144 00:15:41.690 --> 00:15:58.649 Phil James: And so, you know, it's only worth $200 materials in the first place, and then we spent $180 to get them there, and then in order to get them out of customs, they wanted another $200. So, I said, forget it, just send it back. 145 00:15:58.810 --> 00:16:10.420 Phil James: well, now they're kind of in limbo, so I have a… I have international FedEx trying to track down exactly what happened to them, but it wasn't super valuable stuff. It was… 146 00:16:10.760 --> 00:16:17.190 Phil James: A bunch of pins and a bunch of business cards, so hopefully we're not out the money that those represent. 147 00:16:17.750 --> 00:16:22.940 Phil James: But we're not out more money to pay to get them to Nick, and he just doesn't have 148 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:30.780 Phil James: those, so we'll figure something else out. Maybe… maybe Hunter is coming back and forth to the U.S. or something, I don't know. 149 00:16:30.900 --> 00:16:35.790 Les Wright: Yeah, he's going to be spending the summer in Chicago, Yeah. 150 00:16:36.230 --> 00:16:38.970 Phil James: Okay. Is he coming to IML by any chance? 151 00:16:38.970 --> 00:16:40.089 Les Wright: I have no idea. 152 00:16:40.090 --> 00:16:40.750 Phil James: Okay. 153 00:16:43.020 --> 00:16:59.459 Phil James: Okay, annual meeting… okay, this fall, kind of fallen off our radar, is… and I think, Les, you reminded us of this last month, is… are we doing something this fall? Is it in conjunction with Barrison Street Fair? Is it… 154 00:16:59.540 --> 00:17:07.740 Phil James: a presentation? Is it conjunction with the, historical archives here in San Francisco? 155 00:17:07.930 --> 00:17:13.069 Phil James: what are we doing? So… I have no… Update. 156 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.300 Phil James: We had… 157 00:17:17.300 --> 00:17:20.859 Mel Baker: Well, it wasn't the plan to hold a panel at, their. 158 00:17:20.869 --> 00:17:21.129 Les Wright: Oh. 159 00:17:22.180 --> 00:17:26.460 Mel Baker: At the museum, the idea was to hold a panel at the museum with Les and, 160 00:17:26.970 --> 00:17:28.260 Mel Baker: A couple of other people. 161 00:17:28.270 --> 00:17:28.740 Phil James: Yeah. 162 00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:33.139 Les Wright: Yeah, here is what looks like most doable, 163 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:47.470 Les Wright: my, whatever, I forget its entitled, but the, early bear history presentation that I put together for, Estonia, I could do that, and we could also have 164 00:17:47.970 --> 00:17:52.889 Les Wright: Probably in conjunction with that, a panel discussion, because… 165 00:17:53.080 --> 00:18:02.950 Les Wright: Local folks are all, you know, members of that… that… that seed. 166 00:18:03.780 --> 00:18:13.950 Mel Baker: We could do a… to make it local enough for them to be interested, we could do… do that, your… your presentation, and then we could do something about the history of the bears of San Francisco. 167 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:15.840 Les Wright: Okay, yeah. 168 00:18:16.120 --> 00:18:31.390 Phil James: So, should we go… We'll go back to… we had a question about venue, right? There was… are we going to do something at the local… the historical archives here in San Francisco? Are we going to do something at the Roxy? 169 00:18:31.650 --> 00:18:36.270 Phil James: the Historical Society was going to see about the Roxy, right? 170 00:18:37.570 --> 00:18:42.860 Mel Baker: They said they had worked with the Roxy. We were toying with doing a… 171 00:18:43.490 --> 00:18:52.710 Mel Baker: Seeing if our documentarian wanted to do a presentation about his… a short thing about his thing, and then we'd do a panel afterward. 172 00:18:53.190 --> 00:18:54.000 Les Wright: Okay. 173 00:18:54.830 --> 00:18:56.080 Phil James: Okay, so… 174 00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:56.520 Les Wright: Yep, coach. 175 00:18:56.520 --> 00:18:56.960 Phil James: We have a… 176 00:18:57.510 --> 00:19:03.639 Les Wright: I think the Roxy was originally suggested when we were thinking of 177 00:19:04.060 --> 00:19:08.139 Les Wright: posting a fundraiser for, Andy Langdon's movie. 178 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:10.200 Phil James: The fair movie, yeah. Yeah. 179 00:19:10.760 --> 00:19:20.109 Mel Baker: It would be a combination of our event and their event, and the Roxy is an option, the other option is the San Francisco Bay Men's Chorus building, which has several facilities. 180 00:19:20.210 --> 00:19:31.579 Mel Baker: Okay. But the Roxy is great with working with non-profit. My organization has done several events there, and they have enough room to do a little panel, and it… 181 00:19:32.950 --> 00:19:37.879 Mel Baker: You can record it, and get a decent copy, recording of it, and 182 00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:43.530 Mel Baker: You know, it's… everybody knows where it is. It's very centrally located. 183 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:45.080 Mel Baker: But that's an option. 184 00:19:45.810 --> 00:19:46.360 Phil James: Yeah. 185 00:19:46.490 --> 00:19:56.840 Les Wright: And I also recall, if we were going to do something hosted by or in conjunction with the Historical Society. 186 00:19:56.990 --> 00:20:04.359 Les Wright: I think we're coming up really close to the deadline for when they would need a commitment for us if 187 00:20:04.500 --> 00:20:07.620 Les Wright: They wanted to… Work with us. 188 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:08.840 Phil James: Okay. 189 00:20:08.840 --> 00:20:14.940 Mel Baker: Here's my suggestion. The easiest thing to do would be, let's put the Roxy… let's… 190 00:20:15.060 --> 00:20:19.960 Mel Baker: What's the name of our documentarian friend? I'm sorry, I'm basing on his name right now. 191 00:20:20.180 --> 00:20:22.079 Les Wright: Matt, which… who is that? 192 00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:25.230 Phil James: at the San Francisco Historical Society here. 193 00:20:25.230 --> 00:20:29.399 Mel Baker: No, no, the documentary… the guy who's doing it at the big documentary series. 194 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:30.200 Les Wright: Oh, and… 195 00:20:30.490 --> 00:20:38.910 Mel Baker: Right, okay. Since… I think what that… so the Roxy would be for Andy plus a small panel. 196 00:20:39.540 --> 00:20:51.489 Mel Baker: the… the Historical Society offered a very small… smaller group of, like, 50 people that we… they could squeeze into the back room where they've held other panels and presentations. 197 00:20:51.990 --> 00:20:55.389 Mel Baker: And we could do a temporary display of bare stuff. 198 00:20:55.520 --> 00:21:01.090 Mel Baker: Since they weren't able to coordinate that in time to have, like, a Panel about bear history. 199 00:21:03.350 --> 00:21:06.799 Mel Baker: But we could do… kind of a… 200 00:21:07.660 --> 00:21:12.809 Mel Baker: thing with less on that, and then the bear… and then BOSF making it local. 201 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:20.580 Mel Baker: Then if we get… If Andy wants to do a bigger fundraiser, at the Roxy. 202 00:21:20.910 --> 00:21:23.990 Mel Baker: Then we do a combined event between us and him. 203 00:21:26.940 --> 00:21:29.500 Mel Baker: And maybe it'd be a joint fundraiser. 204 00:21:31.010 --> 00:21:35.120 Phil James: Was he, was he thinking that it's… 205 00:21:35.410 --> 00:21:38.770 Phil James: One question was, is it saturated now, right? 206 00:21:39.590 --> 00:21:57.320 Les Wright: Right, where we had left the discussion with that is that, one, he had already done a fundraiser at San Francisco, and I think he will… either he will have done a second one, or around the time we're looking at, he is scheduled to do one. 207 00:21:57.790 --> 00:22:03.679 Les Wright: And I know he had also been looking into the Roxy for his fundraiser. 208 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:05.760 Phil James: Okay. 209 00:22:05.760 --> 00:22:14.820 Mel Baker: Because if we're gonna do the… the only reason to do the Roxy is not to do a panel discussion, it's to do a video, it's to do a… some sort of movie, then a panel discussion. 210 00:22:14.820 --> 00:22:16.110 Phil James: Right. Right. And you don't. 211 00:22:16.110 --> 00:22:21.459 Mel Baker: Bothered renting a film venue for something that's just going to be a panel discussion. 212 00:22:21.460 --> 00:22:22.030 Phil James: Right. 213 00:22:22.230 --> 00:22:37.810 Les Wright: Well, and what suggestion? I mean, what I would suggest, if we were to do the Roxy, is I've organized a, kind of a mini Barefill Festival at the Manliest Cinema here in Syracuse for Pride. 214 00:22:38.010 --> 00:22:38.950 Les Wright: Month. 215 00:22:39.290 --> 00:22:45.109 Les Wright: And it is 3 films. It's a short one called Campfire. 216 00:22:45.160 --> 00:23:04.789 Les Wright: a fairly early documentary called Bear Run, and the third one is that we're advertising the sneak preview of Andy's documentary, which we cannot name. And if Andy was comfortable with that, I could… I could do, or we could do the same event there. 217 00:23:04.790 --> 00:23:06.150 Phil James: Okay, so let's ask… 218 00:23:06.150 --> 00:23:07.329 Mel Baker: Yeah, that's a good idea. 219 00:23:07.330 --> 00:23:10.900 Phil James: And so, I put down, in caps, Needs Committee. 220 00:23:11.150 --> 00:23:19.530 Phil James: But, let me ask Andy around, the bear… about embarrassing time 221 00:23:19.690 --> 00:23:25.259 Phil James: if he wants to try to do something in conjunction with that. And Les, you posted the… 222 00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:36.149 Phil James: your local thing to, the Facebook page, right? Our Facebook page? Yeah, I've seen that, alright. So, I can… and he'll be there for that? 223 00:23:36.150 --> 00:23:37.500 Les Wright: No. No, no, no. 224 00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:37.870 Phil James: Okay. 225 00:23:37.970 --> 00:23:45.529 Les Wright: nobody has money to fly them here. Campfire, that August, 226 00:23:47.390 --> 00:24:00.780 Les Wright: Why am I saying August? Anyways, yeah, August Bun is very happy to let me use at any time, and Bear Run is, 227 00:24:01.060 --> 00:24:06.609 Les Wright: I think now it's public domain, and we've gotten access to a really good copy. 228 00:24:07.780 --> 00:24:09.210 Phil James: Okay, 229 00:24:09.210 --> 00:24:17.879 Mel Baker: We might be able to find some… we might be able to find some bosses video and run a short Bossif. Maybe we do that. I suggest we do two things. We do… 230 00:24:18.060 --> 00:24:23.149 Mel Baker: We do a Roxy event, Based around what Les is looking at. 231 00:24:23.430 --> 00:24:27.109 Mel Baker: And then we do a smaller panel discussion and lock that in. 232 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:28.410 Mel Baker: Good. 233 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:30.930 Mel Baker: GLBT History Museums. 234 00:24:31.890 --> 00:24:36.049 Mel Baker: And make sure that one's locked in so that we at least have one event. 235 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:42.490 Mel Baker: Would that one be focused primarily on its bear history, but with a focus on BOSF. 236 00:24:44.560 --> 00:24:50.040 Mel Baker: We don't have to make sure that huge numbers of people come, we don't have to pay money to rent the space. 237 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.470 Mel Baker: It becomes a joint event. 238 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:58.899 Mel Baker: We benefit from their publicity, their ability to publicize the event. 239 00:24:59.270 --> 00:25:00.350 Mel Baker: And, 240 00:25:01.030 --> 00:25:07.110 Mel Baker: then we… so that's… that's a guaranteed thing, and then if we were able to pull off the more ambitious thing at the Roxy, or at the… 241 00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:11.089 Mel Baker: SFGMC's, building, then we can do that. 242 00:25:11.650 --> 00:25:16.539 Mel Baker: It doesn't all rely on Pulling off a much bigger event. 243 00:25:18.520 --> 00:25:30.899 Les Wright: So, I had two things I also wanted to raise here. One is I am very happy to do all the things that I could do from a distance, but I think someone local would have to, like, kind of 244 00:25:31.310 --> 00:25:34.100 Les Wright: run… Run the committee. 245 00:25:34.620 --> 00:25:35.710 Phil James: Yeah. You know. 246 00:25:35.710 --> 00:25:38.750 Les Wright: to do the stuff, like working with Roxy and… 247 00:25:39.150 --> 00:25:43.299 Les Wright: You know, being able to go in and see real people, that kind of thing. 248 00:25:43.560 --> 00:25:44.429 Phil James: Yeah, so… 249 00:25:44.690 --> 00:25:45.570 Mel Baker: What we… 250 00:25:45.570 --> 00:25:46.610 Phil James: talking about? 251 00:25:48.910 --> 00:25:51.579 Phil James: This is October… 252 00:25:54.120 --> 00:25:55.959 Mel Baker: Yeah, for Barrisons in October. 253 00:25:56.210 --> 00:26:00.310 Les Wright: Yeah, yeah, early, early, early… October. 254 00:26:00.810 --> 00:26:04.460 Mel Baker: You know, I complain… I know I complain a lot about not having enough 255 00:26:04.630 --> 00:26:12.739 Mel Baker: bear energy or time, but I would be happy to lead the committee on this. I promise I will put the energy into it. I have dealt with the people at the Roxy already. 256 00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:17.849 Mel Baker: know them personally, because I've been on the organizing for 257 00:26:17.990 --> 00:26:23.439 Mel Baker: re-events we've held at the Roxy, where we showed videos, and then we had a panel discussion. 258 00:26:23.670 --> 00:26:24.065 Mel Baker: Oh. 259 00:26:24.840 --> 00:26:30.509 Mel Baker: So I know the people at the Roxy and my… our development director has even closer relationship, so I… 260 00:26:30.910 --> 00:26:31.770 Mel Baker: I can… 261 00:26:32.450 --> 00:26:40.480 Mel Baker: work with them pretty easily. And I'd like to see about SFGMC as an option, not just for us, but for my nonprofit. 262 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.010 Les Wright: Yep. 263 00:26:41.180 --> 00:26:42.120 Mel Baker: Newsroom. 264 00:26:42.560 --> 00:26:43.009 Les Wright: And. 265 00:26:43.010 --> 00:26:44.110 Mel Baker: I'd like to get a tour. 266 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:49.570 Les Wright: Remember, Mel, we know where you live, and we will stalk you for the rest of our lives. 267 00:26:52.330 --> 00:27:01.119 Les Wright: And the other thing is that I would, request that the Bears of Project cover my airfare. 268 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:08.970 Phil James: Yeah, we've got a… we've got an agenda item about, Ctrl-SHIFT-V. 269 00:27:12.790 --> 00:27:19.310 Phil James: Okay, let me get the Barrison link in here, just so that we have it in the same place, so… 270 00:27:19.620 --> 00:27:24.000 Phil James: October 17th… 271 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.929 Phil James: Oh, convenient. Okay, so we've got the Barrison link, we've got the date. 272 00:27:34.090 --> 00:27:40.300 Phil James: Good. Okay, Mel to head the committee. Where do I… where do I blame you here? Blah, blah, blah… 273 00:27:40.660 --> 00:27:43.820 Phil James: Need Committee. Okay, Mel, Mel to head. 274 00:27:47.610 --> 00:27:50.170 Mel Baker: So, Les, can you set up a… 275 00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:56.950 Mel Baker: if we can set up, like, a… either a phone call or a Zoom call, if one of us has Zoom, I no longer have Zoom. 276 00:27:58.700 --> 00:28:04.860 Mel Baker: with Andy to do a brief thing about what could be done at the Roxy, which would duplicate what you've already… what you're already doing. 277 00:28:05.190 --> 00:28:07.480 Mel Baker: Yup. In your community, 278 00:28:07.760 --> 00:28:12.790 Mel Baker: And plan on just doing the same thing at the Roxy, if we can get a good show date. 279 00:28:13.070 --> 00:28:13.580 Les Wright: Yup! 280 00:28:13.580 --> 00:28:23.930 Phil James: Bear History Project has a Zoom account, so I can set up that meeting if… I think, Les, you're the closest to Andy, so if you'll… 281 00:28:23.930 --> 00:28:38.339 Les Wright: What I will do, Andy has a scheduling calendar, so I could tell him it would be the three of us, and he will send by email all of the available days and times. 282 00:28:38.340 --> 00:28:38.730 Phil James: Great. 283 00:28:38.890 --> 00:28:40.730 Les Wright: And it'll be run from his end. 284 00:28:41.010 --> 00:28:46.190 Mel Baker: Okay, and quick question, how long are these, is Bear Run and Campfire, how long are those? 285 00:28:46.930 --> 00:28:55.170 Les Wright: Capfire is… 17 minutes, and Bear Run is 50 minutes. 286 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:56.950 Mel Baker: 50 or 15? 287 00:28:56.950 --> 00:28:58.140 Les Wright: 5-0. 288 00:29:00.390 --> 00:29:02.400 Mel Baker: I don't think you should… 289 00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:05.660 Phil James: Okay, well, we'll talk about that in the committee. 290 00:29:05.660 --> 00:29:11.559 Mel Baker: Right, we'll talk about it in the committee. I think 3… I think that's too much film, and nobody will stay for the panel too long. 291 00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:21.020 Phil James: Okay, I was just checking my calendar because Les had asked about a interview… 292 00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:25.489 Phil James: So, okay, back to the meeting, back to the meeting. 293 00:29:26.100 --> 00:29:26.860 Phil James: Great. 294 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.979 Phil James: Okay, Les, if you will start that ball rolling. 295 00:29:33.060 --> 00:29:35.680 Phil James: on… on talking to Andy. 296 00:29:36.320 --> 00:29:37.380 Les Wright: Okay. 297 00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:42.690 Phil James: Oh… I still have to move Dropbox things, 298 00:29:42.800 --> 00:29:48.220 Phil James: Mel, you and I agreed we're gonna post a video editor job title, basically. 299 00:29:48.470 --> 00:29:50.550 Phil James: We need to finish working on that. 300 00:29:51.850 --> 00:29:57.540 Phil James: We talked about digitizing, so… I think the last… 301 00:29:58.230 --> 00:30:13.700 Phil James: thing I have on the agenda… oh, so, hey, Alejandro, I already mentioned that you and I are working on… you did the annual tax stuff, thank you. That's fine. And then you and I are trying to check on, are you and me commingled with Chase? 302 00:30:13.700 --> 00:30:15.060 Alejandro Nuno: Bank stuff, yeah. 303 00:30:15.280 --> 00:30:15.950 Phil James: need to do that. 304 00:30:15.950 --> 00:30:18.889 Alejandro Nuno: Let's… let's get that settled to speak, so… Yeah. 305 00:30:20.060 --> 00:30:28.070 Phil James: The only other thing on the agenda, I think, is, les, you had asked if… 306 00:30:28.390 --> 00:30:35.909 Phil James: And this is kind of a board thing, but it's only board members here, so we're being recorded, but all the better. 307 00:30:36.370 --> 00:30:39.769 Phil James: Oh, somebody else is here. Let's see who else is here. 308 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:41.469 Alejandro Nuno: Dave should be here. 309 00:30:41.600 --> 00:30:42.559 Alejandro Nuno: He's just muted. 310 00:30:42.760 --> 00:30:43.520 Phil James: Who is? 311 00:30:43.970 --> 00:30:47.189 Alejandro Nuno: Dave is here, it appears, but he's muted, muted. 312 00:30:47.820 --> 00:30:59.949 Phil James: Great. Well, welcome, Dave, because you're on the agenda of welcoming you. So, the other thing is, Les has asked, can he get some financial support for future 313 00:31:00.630 --> 00:31:07.619 Phil James: representations he makes with the Bear History Project International, and 314 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:13.380 Phil James: Les, I have an agenda item here, which is, can we get some sense of… 315 00:31:13.780 --> 00:31:24.199 Phil James: specific things. You and I had a discussion, but for the board to kind of decide what specific things and places and times and how much money 316 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:35.149 Phil James: are you talking about? I think it is reasonable for you not to necessarily spend your own funds on things that are to support the organization, but we need, you know, specifics on 317 00:31:35.710 --> 00:31:41.779 Phil James: What are you going to, you know, are there at least goals about number of interviews, or… 318 00:31:42.110 --> 00:31:56.460 Phil James: how many people will be, you know, will be reached out to, or like we're a real non-profit. We should have some level of, expectation of what we're spending money on, because we have some money in the bank now, which is great, but 319 00:31:56.520 --> 00:32:08.659 Phil James: And you're our founder, so, you know, the organization would like to support you, but can you put together something about what… where you're planning on going, and what you're planning on doing, and what kind of support you need? 320 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:11.330 Phil James: And bring that back to us. 321 00:32:13.790 --> 00:32:23.460 Les Wright: Oh, Sure. Yeah, I mean, and what I… yeah, what I… what I'm hoping for is kind of a… 322 00:32:24.050 --> 00:32:35.139 Les Wright: Organizational guidelines for what would be considered Bear History Project International work. 323 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.239 Les Wright: I mean, a lot of the traveling that I do isn't. 324 00:32:39.950 --> 00:32:40.590 Phil James: Right. 325 00:32:40.590 --> 00:32:46.450 Les Wright: And there would be no… and I wouldn't, you know, approach… approach… their organization, 326 00:32:46.730 --> 00:32:49.050 Les Wright: And I will send you a list of what 327 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:59.200 Les Wright: is happening over the next 6 months, and indicate where there might be BHPI, involvement. 328 00:32:59.200 --> 00:32:59.780 Phil James: Great. 329 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:00.910 Les Wright: Yeah. 330 00:33:00.910 --> 00:33:06.230 Phil James: The only thing the organization has spent money on with individual people is 331 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:14.760 Phil James: you know, Alejandro bought a bunch of food and supplies for the beer bus, and I bought supplies for the beer bust. 332 00:33:15.120 --> 00:33:20.790 Phil James: And then the banners and business cards and pins, and then, 333 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:31.719 Phil James: you know, Nick spent 10,000 pounds of his university's money on his trips here to the U.S, and then took a side trip to do a 334 00:33:31.950 --> 00:33:33.740 Phil James: bear presentation. 335 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:52.040 Phil James: And it couldn't be covered by, you know, the original grant that his trip was a part of, and he asked me, can we cover it? And we did. So we spent 200-something dollars on that. But, you know, otherwise, we haven't really spent any money on any specific people doing anything 336 00:33:52.160 --> 00:34:04.670 Phil James: So, you're right, we do need some guidelines, so if you'll send me slash us what you're hoping to do. Hey, Alejandro, as a treasurer, anything you want to see specifically in guidelines? 337 00:34:06.300 --> 00:34:08.400 Alejandro Nuno: When you say guidelines, what do you mean by that? 338 00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:16.340 Phil James: So, less is… Representing… you know, some of us are independently wealthy, and some of us are not. 339 00:34:16.469 --> 00:34:20.079 Alejandro Nuno: I'm glad for you, for you, but… 340 00:34:20.690 --> 00:34:30.790 Phil James: Some of us are spending what retirement money we have, and some of us don't have a lot of retirement coming. So, Les is going to be representing the project in various things over the coming 341 00:34:30.949 --> 00:34:32.889 Phil James: Months and years. 342 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:40.380 Phil James: And he's asked, can the organization support him financially? So, we do need to put together some kind of guide. 343 00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:40.689 Alejandro Nuno: Oh, yeah. 344 00:34:40.699 --> 00:34:42.559 Phil James: on what that is. 345 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:46.850 Alejandro Nuno: Yeah, so I, that's, that's… that's definitely a yes. 346 00:34:47.150 --> 00:34:52.659 Alejandro Nuno: We… I think it would just… for transparency, I think it would be good. 347 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.820 Alejandro Nuno: to have Les just put a… 348 00:34:56.659 --> 00:35:09.080 Alejandro Nuno: outline of what he plans to do, what you plan to do list, on these specific trips, related to BHPI, and how much you would need. And so, that's it. 349 00:35:09.390 --> 00:35:10.100 Phil James: Great. 350 00:35:10.560 --> 00:35:14.060 Alejandro Nuno: So, but… but that's a yes, for sure, so… Okay, let's, yeah, definitely. 351 00:35:14.060 --> 00:35:15.609 Phil James: those guidelines together. Great. 352 00:35:15.610 --> 00:35:22.350 Alejandro Nuno: And then… and then… and then just when that's done, and then just give us a little report on… 353 00:35:22.550 --> 00:35:27.910 Alejandro Nuno: how those outlined goals, went. And that's it. 354 00:35:29.190 --> 00:35:45.130 Phil James: Okay, great. I'm gonna look back at our annual meeting, which, again, people have access to. If you go to the… go to our website, bearhistory.org, there's a meetings page, and on that meetings page, there's a bullet for each month, and then 355 00:35:45.220 --> 00:35:50.250 Phil James: the annual meeting is just the April meeting, and 356 00:35:52.760 --> 00:36:05.149 Phil James: We've… we had a good annual meeting, and it's… I mean, in terms of transparency, this is what we talked about. Again, this is artificial intelligence updated, but it looked pretty good when I looked at it. 357 00:36:05.790 --> 00:36:10.299 Phil James: Again, just to review, so… 358 00:36:10.660 --> 00:36:28.029 Phil James: we have an agenda for each meeting, and then we have an AI summary, typically, and then we have the audio… the transcript of the audio we post. We have a video, but we don't post those videos, but we do keep a video of the meetings as well. 359 00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:33.689 Phil James: So I think we covered everything that was in our annual meeting, and then… 360 00:36:33.950 --> 00:36:38.280 Phil James: I think we covered everything that I wanted to cover in this meeting. 361 00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:50.399 Alejandro Nuno: So, in terms… just in terms of the expenses for these trips, really quick, we could do it in the… either in the form of a daily stipend, or… 362 00:36:50.630 --> 00:36:54.930 Alejandro Nuno: Reimbursements, so… glass you choose, so… 363 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:05.849 Alejandro Nuno: Okay. Yeah, so, whatever's easiest, and so, but… but definitely you need some cash to support operations and representation, so, 364 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:15.520 Alejandro Nuno: But just, if we ever get audited, just need documentation, on file for us, to the KZS will… 365 00:37:15.770 --> 00:37:20.419 Alejandro Nuno: what did you spend this money on, and whatnot, so… Great. 366 00:37:20.420 --> 00:37:26.800 Phil James: And Alejandra, I still keep a… I have a spreadsheet, so, like, when… 367 00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:45.870 Phil James: Oh, so Les has sent me one receipt for flyers that he had printed for his upcoming Syracuse thing, or whatever. And I put it on my spreadsheet, but, you know, Les put that money out, and I haven't, like, I haven't sent him money yet, because we're waiting to kind of resolve all this. 368 00:37:45.870 --> 00:37:59.980 Alejandro Nuno: Yeah, let's get them reimbursed. And in the future, if you're… if anyone, if you're buying stuff, paying for stuff less, just give either, Phil or I a call, and let's use the… 369 00:38:00.580 --> 00:38:08.470 Alejandro Nuno: debit card directly to pay for things like that, so that way, just, it's more transparent on our financials and whatnot, so… 370 00:38:08.500 --> 00:38:24.430 Alejandro Nuno: Reimbursements are fine, but it's just better for things to come out directly from our account, bank account, so… Okay. Don't be spending your own money when… if you don't have to, so… I mean, if it's on-the-fly stuff, and you're like, last minute, great, but if it's something that can be… 371 00:38:24.560 --> 00:38:29.379 Alejandro Nuno: Prearranged, then let's, use the, 372 00:38:30.380 --> 00:38:33.330 Alejandro Nuno: Nonprofits' money, so directly, instead of… 373 00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:37.400 Alejandro Nuno: Because… I mean, how long have you been waiting for this? Like, 2 weeks? 374 00:38:38.550 --> 00:38:39.080 Les Wright: Yeah. 375 00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:43.740 Phil James: It's been a couple weeks, but I… it balls in his court, because I said, okay, what else is coming? 376 00:38:43.740 --> 00:38:44.530 Alejandro Nuno: Okay. 377 00:38:44.530 --> 00:38:45.390 Phil James: except the… 378 00:38:45.570 --> 00:38:49.700 Alejandro Nuno: How much… how much is, flyers? 379 00:38:49.850 --> 00:38:50.570 Alejandro Nuno: That was smart. 380 00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:52.120 Phil James: $17, so… 381 00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:53.170 Alejandro Nuno: regardless. 382 00:38:53.170 --> 00:39:02.839 Phil James: Not a biggie, but I just wanna… yeah, so that's why I put it on my spreadsheet, like, it's gotta be… okay. And then, Les, anything else from you for this meeting? 383 00:39:03.450 --> 00:39:13.319 Les Wright: Yeah, one very short thing to follow up on this, and then maybe take a little bit of time. I want to, like, kind of debrief with, Estonia. 384 00:39:13.930 --> 00:39:20.809 Les Wright: So, the, for the upcoming film thing here in Syracuse. 385 00:39:21.080 --> 00:39:26.200 Les Wright: Originally, the Baracy Project and… 386 00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:32.349 Les Wright: come out, Central New York had both Offered to be sponsors. 387 00:39:32.720 --> 00:39:38.390 Les Wright: I think you and I talked about, the… just the printing expenses, which… 388 00:39:38.980 --> 00:39:44.889 Les Wright: I guarantee they're going to be under $100, I mean, if anything else, and… 389 00:39:45.070 --> 00:39:56.719 Les Wright: Come Out Central New York was going to pay for, renting the movie theater, but the manager has kindly donated that, so… 390 00:39:57.660 --> 00:40:05.120 Les Wright: We're not going to incur an expense on that, and coming out has dropped out of sponsoring, because they were going to cover that. 391 00:40:05.310 --> 00:40:10.590 Phil James: Okay, so any… anything else needed beyond the printing expenses? 392 00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:21.459 Les Wright: Yeah, I ordered, like, bar cards, you know, to put out in a number of places, publicly, along with where the posters are. 393 00:40:21.460 --> 00:40:22.250 Phil James: Okay. 394 00:40:22.250 --> 00:40:26.859 Les Wright: And I thought I had sent you that. If not, I will again. 395 00:40:28.230 --> 00:40:32.090 Phil James: I got a… I got one receipt for $17. I think that's all. 396 00:40:32.600 --> 00:40:34.680 Les Wright: Okay, . 397 00:40:35.010 --> 00:40:42.700 Phil James: And then, do you… would it help to do, like, you know, scruff, Advertising, or… 398 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.070 Les Wright: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 399 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:47.820 Alejandro Nuno: router? 400 00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:48.850 Phil James: Browser, yeah. 401 00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:54.369 Phil James: Those are very reasonable. I mean, it's good for, 402 00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:03.300 Phil James: It's good for exposure, so to speak. Might not bring in, you know, hundreds of people to the event, but it's good for getting the word out of what's going on. 403 00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:06.430 Les Wright: Yeah. Also, Sage is running that ad 404 00:41:06.550 --> 00:41:10.409 Les Wright: For two issues, also free of their donating that. 405 00:41:11.290 --> 00:41:12.410 Les Wright: Anyway, so… 406 00:41:12.410 --> 00:41:13.090 Phil James: Okay. 407 00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:19.170 Les Wright: So that's looking good, and we'll find out what kind of a turnout we can pull together in upstate New York. 408 00:41:19.170 --> 00:41:22.480 Phil James: Sage is the local event, right? 409 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:29.400 Les Wright: It's the, organization, nonprofit for older LGBTQ people. 410 00:41:30.830 --> 00:41:31.920 Phil James: Okay. 411 00:41:35.390 --> 00:41:40.329 Mel Baker: Is there a local, LGBTQ, newspaper? 412 00:41:42.520 --> 00:41:45.509 Mel Baker: Digital news site in central New York. 413 00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:48.460 Les Wright: Nope, nope, it's all Facebook groups. 414 00:41:54.190 --> 00:42:02.650 Phil James: Anything else for the upcoming That's in, that is in… June. Pride Month. 415 00:42:03.350 --> 00:42:06.110 Les Wright: 14th, the day after our parade. 416 00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:09.610 Phil James: Cool. Great. 417 00:42:11.630 --> 00:42:14.460 Phil James: And then, you want to talk about Estonia? 418 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.230 Les Wright: Yeah, yeah. 419 00:42:17.470 --> 00:42:18.760 Les Wright: Yes, I do. 420 00:42:19.310 --> 00:42:30.339 Les Wright: Oh, let's see, It, well, it was quite a kind of, 421 00:42:31.150 --> 00:42:36.609 Les Wright: Meeting reality transformative experience for me. 422 00:42:37.120 --> 00:42:41.399 Les Wright: You know, and that I paid for all of it out of my own pocket. 423 00:42:41.810 --> 00:42:54.050 Les Wright: And it really brought home that, you know, A, I can't afford it without outside support, and my… my, patron is not paying for any more… anything more at this point. 424 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.529 Les Wright: Because they feel that I should be getting paid for it. 425 00:42:58.070 --> 00:43:01.559 Les Wright: what I'm doing. Right. By the, hosts. 426 00:43:02.210 --> 00:43:10.690 Les Wright: And… I was, in particular, 427 00:43:10.810 --> 00:43:15.319 Les Wright: I don't know, miffed. I mean, I still have a vague sense of, 428 00:43:15.790 --> 00:43:23.539 Les Wright: Having been taken advantage of, and that may or may not be an accurate way to walk away, 429 00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:29.839 Les Wright: So… A couple of things. One is, 430 00:43:30.210 --> 00:43:37.320 Les Wright: For my presentation, you know, I spent 3 months working on it and building an extensive 431 00:43:37.600 --> 00:43:42.700 Les Wright: Slideshow to go along with, with the, with the, with the, text. 432 00:43:43.240 --> 00:43:49.760 Les Wright: And, you know, so I showed up to do it, and so did the organizer, Olivar. 433 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:51.780 Les Wright: And… 434 00:43:52.510 --> 00:44:01.880 Les Wright: he had no idea to work the equipment, so I had, like, 2 minutes to completely re… how the hell am I gonna do this now? 435 00:44:02.380 --> 00:44:07.850 Les Wright: And it went well, but I really didn't appreciate the kind of, oh, well. 436 00:44:08.450 --> 00:44:14.439 Les Wright: you can handle this, you'll do fine. You're just kind of having it, you know. His… his… 437 00:44:14.790 --> 00:44:23.070 Les Wright: whatever, you know, lack of professionalism, or whatever that… that was, like, just kind of, it's, you know, don't worry about it. 438 00:44:24.290 --> 00:44:34.469 Les Wright: And the other thing, and I wanted to ask, I mean, Mel, you probably know best, do the entertainers at Bayer weekend events get paid? 439 00:44:34.590 --> 00:44:36.040 Les Wright: for performing. 440 00:44:38.170 --> 00:44:46.360 Mel Baker: The early rendezvous, we really didn't… performers. 441 00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:53.710 Mel Baker: Can't remember anybody that we hired to come in as an outside singer or anything. I know some of the later bosses did that. 442 00:44:53.950 --> 00:44:54.580 Les Wright: Yep. 443 00:44:55.350 --> 00:44:57.699 Mel Baker: Yeah, no, it was… we didn't have, like. 444 00:44:58.210 --> 00:45:02.030 Mel Baker: I think we had a DJ, but I think that person dated. 445 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.319 Phil James: They were there for the exposure, or whatever. 446 00:45:05.540 --> 00:45:06.070 Les Wright: Yeah. 447 00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:09.930 Mel Baker: It was mostly… remember, this was the early… the whole point was to raise money. 448 00:45:10.130 --> 00:45:13.440 Mel Baker: Yeah. For the community in the early 90s, it was still not about 449 00:45:15.120 --> 00:45:17.380 Mel Baker: aid event, it was about raising money. 450 00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:24.009 Les Wright: So, I do remember a really great, performance by the Kinsey 6. 451 00:45:24.570 --> 00:45:28.730 Les Wright: You know, and… I was… anyways, I was wondering about that. 452 00:45:28.730 --> 00:45:33.160 Mel Baker: That was later, I think that was one of the later ones, but yeah. I think they donated, too. 453 00:45:34.270 --> 00:45:39.179 Phil James: Seems like they would have gotten paid. I mean, no matter how long ago, they would have gotten paid. 454 00:45:39.190 --> 00:45:39.860 Les Wright: Yep. 455 00:45:40.970 --> 00:45:45.410 Mel Baker: I remember… well… I mean, they were kind of created initially as a… 456 00:45:46.530 --> 00:45:53.459 Mel Baker: They're really heavily, heavy into raising money for HIV and AIDS, so… 457 00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:58.439 Mel Baker: I honestly don't remember. We'd have to ask somebody else in Mosov. 458 00:45:58.440 --> 00:45:59.160 Phil James: Yeah. 459 00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:00.130 Les Wright: Okay. 460 00:46:00.130 --> 00:46:05.769 Phil James: So, Les, two questions about Estonia. So, how many people was the gathering? 461 00:46:06.450 --> 00:46:08.640 Les Wright: About 200 or so? 462 00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:15.780 Phil James: Okay, and then the material that you did put together, do you want to archive that? Do you want us to have an archive of that? 463 00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:26.670 Les Wright: Yeah, I will happily have you guys archive it, but not make it publicly accessible, because at this point, I mean, part of my learning experience, 464 00:46:26.980 --> 00:46:34.260 Les Wright: Both Thomas has been telling me for a while, and in recent discussion that I had with Gerard Koskovich, is, you know. 465 00:46:35.290 --> 00:46:45.630 Les Wright: As I call it, you know, I have to go pro or go home. It's like, that's, at this point, the only intellectual property that I owned that I could 466 00:46:46.160 --> 00:46:47.660 Les Wright: You know, sell. 467 00:46:47.660 --> 00:46:48.280 Phil James: Right. 468 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:54.919 Les Wright: to it, to someone. And the reason that I was asking about the entertainers is, 469 00:46:56.050 --> 00:47:03.750 Les Wright: you know, at Bertie and Tallin, every single event had a separate cover charge. 470 00:47:04.010 --> 00:47:17.289 Les Wright: Except for the two things I did, my history, and there was a panel of three of us who discussed AIDS and stigma. Those two events were free of charge and open to the public. 471 00:47:17.600 --> 00:47:22.149 Les Wright: And people beyond the bear community did come to both of those events. 472 00:47:22.650 --> 00:47:28.539 Les Wright: And I was asking about being, you know, paid is because, you know, the question is, well. 473 00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:32.280 Les Wright: How come all of the performers 474 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:37.390 Les Wright: Events had a cover charge, and mine didn't? 475 00:47:38.110 --> 00:47:42.389 Les Wright: You know, I mean, is that covered charge… was that to pay for them? 476 00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:48.500 Les Wright: And, you know, am I, you know, kind of as… 477 00:47:48.850 --> 00:47:54.519 Les Wright: A grassroots, person just supposed to, you know, suck it up? 478 00:47:54.990 --> 00:48:09.599 Les Wright: you know, pay for it out of my own pocket. Anyways, so that's stuff that's, like, kind of been bothering me, and I got real clear, yeah, I… you know, not only is it reasonable, but I have to… 479 00:48:10.430 --> 00:48:16.089 Les Wright: Have my stuff paid for by the people making it happen. 480 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:22.509 Phil James: Right. Well, so if you're… if you're giving the organization something to archive. 481 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:42.240 Phil James: you know, make sure it's clear that, first of all, I would slap a… and Mel would know better, slap a copyright indication on it to start with, indicate that it's not to be shared without permission, and then, you know, when you do submit it, just remind me slash us that it's for archiving 482 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:50.900 Phil James: You know, for the future, Scholars, and not for, you know, not for dissection by journalists, etc, whatever. 483 00:48:50.900 --> 00:48:57.069 Mel Baker: Oh, you should, you should create some sort of legal entity to be… Protect your own IT. 484 00:48:58.930 --> 00:49:06.370 Mel Baker: It'd be rather intellectual property, and then, yeah, and then make that distinction, you know, that this is… this is usable by 485 00:49:06.510 --> 00:49:10.380 Mel Baker: Not, you know, may not… may not be duplicated for commercial purposes. 486 00:49:10.570 --> 00:49:10.950 Les Wright: Okay. 487 00:49:10.950 --> 00:49:12.270 Mel Baker: Is the language. 488 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:17.830 Les Wright: Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, I had a kind of a touch-and-go with the… 489 00:49:18.050 --> 00:49:23.580 Les Wright: with the organizer and everything is fine now, but, you know, I had… he had… 490 00:49:23.690 --> 00:49:32.629 Les Wright: he'd said, oh… anyways, I emailed him that stuff, because he wanted to post it, and then after coming away from it, I… 491 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:40.220 Les Wright: asked him to, you know, A, take it down, and B, not share it with anyone, and then he was kind of like, well. 492 00:49:40.870 --> 00:49:51.090 Les Wright: could we include our, you know, the photos or the videos we made of you and all that stuff? And I said, you know, that's fine, it's just this one piece of… 493 00:49:51.090 --> 00:49:52.469 Phil James: itself, yeah. 494 00:49:52.470 --> 00:49:53.060 Les Wright: Yup. 495 00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:58.250 Phil James: Well, I suspect… I think the Bear History Project International 496 00:49:58.560 --> 00:50:03.840 Phil James: We would, and most of the board is here, so, 497 00:50:04.030 --> 00:50:16.470 Phil James: we could help you set up that legal entity for your intellectual property, Les, as well, because that's yet another expense of you setting up something about your intellectual property, but 498 00:50:16.470 --> 00:50:26.999 Phil James: The project could help you set that up. The project could financially help you set up your own intellectual property setup, so that you're basically putting something in 499 00:50:27.020 --> 00:50:36.219 Phil James: Trust me, I'm in the… I'm in the trust document world at the moment between me and my husband, so, we could help you get that set up in terms of 500 00:50:36.470 --> 00:50:41.629 Phil James: You know, what the money needed to figure out how that's all done. 501 00:50:42.180 --> 00:50:45.010 Phil James: So, we can talk about that, too. 502 00:50:45.180 --> 00:50:46.330 Les Wright: Okay, great. 503 00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:54.039 Mel Baker: I suspect the event in Estonia had your event and the AIDS event open 504 00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.250 Mel Baker: HIV stigma event open because they wanted to maximize 505 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.340 Mel Baker: Tendants, and they wanted to put no barriers. 506 00:51:01.770 --> 00:51:02.720 Mel Baker: There. 507 00:51:02.850 --> 00:51:07.929 Mel Baker: And the other performers were probably, what, people like drag performers, or DJs, or whatever? 508 00:51:07.930 --> 00:51:14.579 Les Wright: Well, they had two classical musicians come, a pianist and a bass opera singer. 509 00:51:15.330 --> 00:51:16.920 Mel Baker: Okay, and they would have. 510 00:51:17.310 --> 00:51:21.300 Les Wright: and DJs, and I'm sure the professional singers 511 00:51:22.210 --> 00:51:25.349 Les Wright: had to have been reimbursed, paid something to cone. 512 00:51:26.230 --> 00:51:35.599 Mel Baker: Yeah, so they would have been treating… yeah, they would have been treating you. It's frustrating that they treated you, considering the distance and the travel. They treated you poorly, but 513 00:51:36.010 --> 00:51:38.029 Mel Baker: That's probably why there wasn't a cover. 514 00:51:38.830 --> 00:51:51.570 Les Wright: And again, the other thing where I'm now feel… anyways, you know, I was the headliner, I was the number one person for all their advertising. It got huge exposure. 515 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:58.999 Les Wright: And, you know, and in the write-ups following the event, let's see, my name was mentioned once. 516 00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:04.179 Les Wright: And the performers all got… are getting the huge coverage now. 517 00:52:05.640 --> 00:52:07.210 Phil James: Yeah, well, yeah. 518 00:52:08.260 --> 00:52:10.160 Mel Baker: May I suggest a way to… 519 00:52:10.270 --> 00:52:13.339 Mel Baker: monetize some of this is, you were… 520 00:52:14.190 --> 00:52:24.139 Mel Baker: Did people talk about their fears of being in… I'm sorry to take a quick side note here, bear with me, folks, about Russian invasion and things like that. Did anybody talk to you about some of those issues? 521 00:52:25.730 --> 00:52:27.430 Les Wright: The only… Just to offer. 522 00:52:27.430 --> 00:52:28.200 Mel Baker: casually. 523 00:52:28.620 --> 00:52:34.090 Les Wright: Yeah, a couple of people mentioned that because of the war situation. 524 00:52:34.240 --> 00:52:46.110 Les Wright: They used to have a lot of bears from Russia and Ukraine come, but no one is coming, and the Ukrainians and the Russian bears are refusing to have anything to do with each other. 525 00:52:46.740 --> 00:53:01.890 Mel Baker: Of course, yeah, they're murdering, you know, they're killing the Ukrainians. So, there would be… my suggestion is that you take those stories, you turn that into a news article of some kind, and you start pitching it. 526 00:53:02.050 --> 00:53:06.099 Mel Baker: some of the, queer publications, both here and in Europe. 527 00:53:06.250 --> 00:53:06.910 Les Wright: Yep. 528 00:53:06.940 --> 00:53:12.779 Mel Baker: You'll have had an insight that the people won't have, and you should maximize that, and then try to get 529 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.920 Mel Baker: Get paid for a paid piece. 530 00:53:16.420 --> 00:53:20.380 Mel Baker: Seriously. Absolutely, seriously. If I were… if I were an international 531 00:53:20.770 --> 00:53:27.170 Mel Baker: if I were still doing the national and international reporting, I would be going, God, I want to talk to a lesson, hear what he heard about. 532 00:53:28.780 --> 00:53:32.080 Mel Baker: the queer community in Estonia, and how… 533 00:53:32.430 --> 00:53:37.679 Mel Baker: dealing with all. Just that insight about the Ukrainian and Russian bears alone is fascinating. 534 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.270 Mel Baker: So… And, you know, it can be in America, it can be… 535 00:53:42.600 --> 00:53:49.370 Mel Baker: in Bear World, I guess, but also… but I think, you know, you should try for some of the big, big, bigger magazines, like Out, and… 536 00:53:49.680 --> 00:53:52.669 Mel Baker: Whatever, and see if somebody will be willing to pay you for 537 00:53:52.790 --> 00:53:56.989 Mel Baker: You have… you have the writing chops and the history in the background. 538 00:53:57.180 --> 00:53:58.539 Mel Baker: So you should be able to 539 00:53:58.700 --> 00:54:00.839 Mel Baker: Way through to get an editor to talk to you. 540 00:54:02.720 --> 00:54:07.870 Les Wright: Yeah, I will follow up on that, and yeah, Bear World, 541 00:54:08.580 --> 00:54:12.239 Les Wright: They… they don't have the money to pay for anything at this. 542 00:54:12.240 --> 00:54:17.799 Mel Baker: Right, I know they don't. So, I mean, it's nice, you can at least get the article published there, but I think it deserves… 543 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:23.929 Mel Baker: I think there are bigger publications that would pay you for that, especially if you have a couple of decent photos to go with it. 544 00:54:24.230 --> 00:54:25.430 Les Wright: Oh yeah, yeah. 545 00:54:25.430 --> 00:54:25.960 Mel Baker: Yeah. 546 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:37.120 Les Wright: Yeah, I'm… yeah, and with Bear World, I am just happy to see them continuing, so yeah, I support them as they support me and all the rest of us who are… 547 00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:40.629 Mel Baker: But work the bigger publications first. 548 00:54:40.810 --> 00:54:42.340 Les Wright: Okay. Yep. 549 00:54:42.750 --> 00:54:45.189 Mel Baker: Okay. Unless it'll pay you. 550 00:54:45.660 --> 00:54:49.820 Phil James: Speaking of Beer World Magazine, Mel, thanks again for stepping in. 551 00:54:49.820 --> 00:54:50.790 Mel Baker: That was fun, thank you. 552 00:54:50.790 --> 00:54:55.300 Phil James: interview, that went… it wasn't a… it's not a great video. 553 00:54:55.560 --> 00:54:59.410 Phil James: And the transcription was difficult, I think, between 554 00:54:59.520 --> 00:55:03.380 Phil James: Luca's accent, and I don't think he had a great 555 00:55:03.700 --> 00:55:22.079 Phil James: audio setup, and then our software speaks American English, so there's a lot of updating needed to what he was saying, but, you know, it really, I think, worked well for the organization. We got some specific article links attached to our 556 00:55:22.170 --> 00:55:32.699 Phil James: our… at least our highlight reel, so that should get them some exposure, because they're fun articles, so… And then he was very glad to have done it, so thanks for that. 557 00:55:33.590 --> 00:55:34.870 Mel Baker: Yeah, I think there's a lot of… 558 00:55:35.140 --> 00:55:38.710 Mel Baker: I thought it was fascinating, talking to somebody from the Pacific Rim. 559 00:55:39.090 --> 00:55:45.149 Mel Baker: you know, Australia, New Zealand, and then it'd be great if we can start doing some stuff in Asia proper. 560 00:55:45.700 --> 00:55:53.620 Phil James: Yeah, and then we didn't really probe the fact that he's bi, but that's, you know, kind of… most of the people we interview are… 561 00:55:55.170 --> 00:55:59.939 Phil James: gay men, you know, specifically gay men, so it was great to hear a little variation there. 562 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.539 Mel Baker: And he's, yeah, and he's in a partnership with… as a man, so… 563 00:56:04.540 --> 00:56:05.130 Phil James: Yep. 564 00:56:05.380 --> 00:56:16.360 Phil James: We've added a couple… interviewees to our schedule. The current Mr. Bolt Leather 2025… 565 00:56:17.030 --> 00:56:25.839 Phil James: Bear, who's on his way to IML, if you look at the list of IML contestants, and there's 73 contestants this year. 566 00:56:25.970 --> 00:56:28.610 Phil James: He's representing Sacramento Bolt. 567 00:56:28.720 --> 00:56:30.920 Phil James: He's bare. 568 00:56:31.110 --> 00:56:45.749 Phil James: And then the, I've reached out to the incoming new Mr. Bolt Leather 2027. He has not responded yet. And then the current Mr. 2027 first runner-up, Sir Aaron. 569 00:56:45.810 --> 00:57:01.559 Phil James: he's agreed to do an interview, and we have… I think we have waivers from both Bear and Aaron, so… And I think they're both going on the way to IML. I think Aaron's going to IML, Sir Aaron. So, we've got some interest… interesting added interviews in the… in the pipeline. 570 00:57:01.560 --> 00:57:05.290 Mel Baker: Can you do a… you're going to be at IML, can you just do a live interview with them? 571 00:57:05.430 --> 00:57:06.809 Phil James: I'm not going to IML. 572 00:57:06.810 --> 00:57:07.949 Mel Baker: They're not going to die in that location. 573 00:57:09.410 --> 00:57:13.639 Phil James: No, I'll be… I'll be… Packing my brains out. 574 00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:20.969 Phil James: So, no, not planning on IML this year, so… We might go to Mid-Atlantic Leather next January. 575 00:57:22.420 --> 00:57:26.599 Phil James: So that'd be… I'd… that'd be… I think that'd be good. I think. 576 00:57:26.990 --> 00:57:33.509 Phil James: our project should have representation at Mid-Atlantic Leather. They've been so good to us for 577 00:57:33.620 --> 00:57:42.410 Phil James: you know, helping us financially, so… another… and my husband really wants to go, so I think we're going to Mid-Atlantic next January. 578 00:57:42.650 --> 00:57:45.060 Les Wright: I'm also going to MAL. 579 00:57:46.530 --> 00:57:49.599 Phil James: Okay, so put that on your list in terms of… 580 00:57:50.090 --> 00:57:54.659 Phil James: Support that you're looking for from the project for project-related activities? 581 00:57:55.910 --> 00:57:56.520 Alejandro Nuno: Do it so… 582 00:57:56.520 --> 00:57:57.100 Phil James: like… 583 00:57:57.950 --> 00:58:01.559 Alejandro Nuno: Do they still have, the vendor marts at those things? 584 00:58:02.430 --> 00:58:09.740 Phil James: Yeah, MAL… yeah, they both… IML has a huge vendor mart, probably 200 vendors. 585 00:58:10.490 --> 00:58:13.350 Phil James: MAL has a vendor mart. 586 00:58:14.560 --> 00:58:20.009 Phil James: That might be sold out. IML would have been sold… IML sold out, like, instantly. 587 00:58:20.380 --> 00:58:21.010 Les Wright: Yup. 588 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:26.930 Phil James: strict about what's being done that's… like, you can't just set up a table in the lobby, but… 589 00:58:28.020 --> 00:58:30.530 Alejandro Nuno: That was my… that was my next question about… 590 00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.319 Alejandro Nuno: Post Hotel, or in the mart, if there was a… 591 00:58:34.750 --> 00:58:36.629 Mel Baker: Usually, usually, so… 592 00:58:36.630 --> 00:58:37.160 Alejandro Nuno: Weekly. 593 00:58:37.160 --> 00:58:37.780 Mel Baker: done. 594 00:58:39.610 --> 00:58:45.019 Alejandro Nuno: There was a spot that, we can have to put a table pop-up. 595 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:51.650 Alejandro Nuno: Not the whole day, I don't want to take people's whole day and whatnot, but… I don't know, something… unless you have other ideas of how to… 596 00:58:52.710 --> 00:58:54.220 Alejandro Nuno: Well, so the dealers… 597 00:58:54.220 --> 00:58:58.150 Mel Baker: There's the dealer's rooms where people sell stuff. 598 00:58:59.530 --> 00:59:04.619 Mel Baker: The org… the organizers are looking to maximize the amount of 599 00:59:05.450 --> 00:59:10.830 Mel Baker: money they can get from that room to help cover the expense of the event. I mean, it's a big chunk. 600 00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:14.210 Mel Baker: Your budget for the event. 601 00:59:14.510 --> 00:59:19.170 Mel Baker: So, you don't give any free tables away for a non-profit. 602 00:59:19.570 --> 00:59:24.400 Mel Baker: Though, a lot of events do offer area for tabling. 603 00:59:25.750 --> 00:59:29.040 Mel Baker: Hide that area where you can you know. 604 00:59:29.720 --> 00:59:33.830 Mel Baker: Back in the day, it was AIDS information or whatever, but theoretically. 605 00:59:34.160 --> 00:59:38.450 Mel Baker: Could ask if either of those events have an area for tabling for non-profit. 606 00:59:38.870 --> 00:59:39.400 Phil James: Yeah. 607 00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:40.310 Mel Baker: They aren't selling anything. 608 00:59:40.310 --> 00:59:40.690 Phil James: hearing. 609 00:59:40.690 --> 00:59:44.310 Mel Baker: That aren't selling t-shirts, that are just handing out, like, literature. 610 00:59:44.310 --> 00:59:58.170 Phil James: Yeah, for IML, Les and I did some outreach on Growler and or Scruff. We got a fairly good, response from that. Like, you gotta know, there's gotta be local, they gotta be within a day or so. 611 00:59:58.190 --> 01:00:12.650 Phil James: But we got 8 or 9 people to respond, and we did 4 interviews of people we had, you know, we just got from that. Either that or outreach of people that I knew who were there, including Dave Watt, 612 01:00:12.870 --> 01:00:26.250 Phil James: And we did those in hotel rooms, and those went okay. It was harder because they had really crappy Wi-Fi, but they went okay doing local interviews. It's still easier to do it over Zoom, but 613 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:27.630 Phil James: We got them done. 614 01:00:27.630 --> 01:00:28.060 Alejandro Nuno: Interesting. 615 01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:29.410 Les Wright: No. 616 01:00:29.410 --> 01:00:33.840 Alejandro Nuno: Just an… just an idea on tabling, but not… not… 617 01:00:34.900 --> 01:00:38.579 Alejandro Nuno: something set in stone that needs to happen, so… Yeah. 618 01:00:39.110 --> 01:00:41.769 Alejandro Nuno: If it's free, for nonprofits, great. If not, then… 619 01:00:42.160 --> 01:00:48.169 Alejandro Nuno: Find other methods, but at least have you guys go and have representation is good in itself, so… 620 01:00:48.780 --> 01:00:51.360 Mel Baker: Some places also will do a bulletin board. 621 01:00:52.070 --> 01:00:57.369 Mel Baker: Both a virtual one and a digital one, and you could… 622 01:00:57.580 --> 01:01:05.470 Mel Baker: be hosting room parties at some… at some events. You could host, like, a little airroom party if you rented a suite. 623 01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:08.119 Mel Baker: I don't know whether that's worth it, but… 624 01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:14.980 Les Wright: I, I think, if we are allowed to hang our banner. 625 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.880 Les Wright: That would… would be a good thing, and I would assume free. 626 01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:22.220 Phil James: Yeah. 627 01:01:22.220 --> 01:01:28.840 Les Wright: I've learned from experience that having a vendor… me getting a vendor table is a waste of time. 628 01:01:29.020 --> 01:01:32.800 Les Wright: You know, because, you know, A, if I'm lucky, I sell 3 books. 629 01:01:33.530 --> 01:01:42.079 Les Wright: And B, it's turned out not to be helpful in terms of recruiting people to get interviewed. 630 01:01:42.990 --> 01:01:43.580 Phil James: Yeah. 631 01:01:43.730 --> 01:01:56.299 Phil James: Yeah, and then the banner's got our QR code, which brings us to the website, and then people can see. First of all, they're like, oh, you're a legit thing, like, yes, we are, and here's how to contact us, so that's… that's good. 632 01:01:57.120 --> 01:02:02.019 Phil James: So that should go in your list, Les, of you're heading for 633 01:02:02.250 --> 01:02:05.600 Phil James: So you're going to IML, This month? 634 01:02:06.090 --> 01:02:07.670 Les Wright: No, no, I'm not going to IML. 635 01:02:07.670 --> 01:02:09.090 Phil James: Okay, you're going to MAL. 636 01:02:09.410 --> 01:02:14.670 Les Wright: Yeah, next year. I am not getting on an airplane for the next 6 months. 637 01:02:14.670 --> 01:02:22.040 Phil James: Okay, you should put MAL on your list, including things you want to do there. Again, I don't remember, 638 01:02:23.390 --> 01:02:28.620 Phil James: I don't remember… host, hotel, etc, for MAL. 639 01:02:29.150 --> 01:02:40.390 Phil James: Oh, I do remember Host Hotel. So, I don't know whether a suite is a possibility, or if they're still available, or what that would cost in terms of the Bear History Project sponsoring that, but… 640 01:02:40.600 --> 01:02:42.390 Phil James: If you check into that. 641 01:02:42.390 --> 01:02:44.340 Alejandro Nuno: You just have to put the sling away, so… 642 01:02:46.180 --> 01:02:51.869 Phil James: MAL is wholly equipped for that. Yes, there's a whole… There's a whole rental… 643 01:02:52.120 --> 01:02:59.889 Phil James: market for, you know, sling for the weekend. Okay, Alejandro, anything else from you for this meeting? 644 01:03:00.770 --> 01:03:02.310 Alejandro Nuno: No, I'm good, thank you. 645 01:03:02.310 --> 01:03:06.859 Phil James: Okay, I still have a bunch of stuff in my living room and my garage for you. 646 01:03:06.860 --> 01:03:09.209 Alejandro Nuno: Yeah, I will get it from… I will get it from you. 647 01:03:09.210 --> 01:03:11.119 Phil James: Including a whole bottle of vodka. 648 01:03:11.370 --> 01:03:12.040 Alejandro Nuno: Oh, jeez. 649 01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:12.380 Phil James: It's crazy. 650 01:03:12.730 --> 01:03:17.939 Alejandro Nuno: No, I don't. When's your moving date again? Or… 651 01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:19.830 Phil James: Towards the end of July. 652 01:03:20.140 --> 01:03:25.710 Alejandro Nuno: Okay, so we still got text. All right. I'm still trying to see… waiting… waiting to see if we're gonna get a… 653 01:03:25.910 --> 01:03:30.649 Alejandro Nuno: last-minute beer bus between here and, November, so… 654 01:03:30.650 --> 01:03:30.970 Phil James: Yeah. 655 01:03:30.970 --> 01:03:34.760 Alejandro Nuno: But regardless, I'll get that stuff from you, so… 656 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:35.300 Phil James: Yeah. 657 01:03:35.820 --> 01:03:39.789 Phil James: Mel, anything from you, more from you for this meeting? 658 01:03:41.150 --> 01:03:52.199 Mel Baker: Les, you and I should stay in touch. I'm going to be gone next week in Yosemite, but why don't we see if we can sit up and start working on the committee stuff. We should reach out to our contact at, 659 01:03:53.930 --> 01:03:56.790 Mel Baker: GLBT right away. 660 01:03:57.080 --> 01:04:00.499 Mel Baker: We want to do an event with them, a panel in their… 661 01:04:00.730 --> 01:04:05.150 Mel Baker: And, you know, bear history, and… the bosses. 662 01:04:05.550 --> 01:04:06.130 Les Wright: Yep. 663 01:04:06.640 --> 01:04:07.220 Phil James: Great. 664 01:04:07.220 --> 01:04:10.769 Mel Baker: We'll get that nailed down, and then we can… then we have time to put the more complex… 665 01:04:11.790 --> 01:04:13.350 Mel Baker: project into place. 666 01:04:13.350 --> 01:04:18.379 Phil James: Okay, and, David, I hear you're in the meeting, 667 01:04:18.650 --> 01:04:21.340 Phil James: But not on video. Anything you want to add? 668 01:04:25.970 --> 01:04:27.170 Alejandro Nuno: Dave? 669 01:04:29.240 --> 01:04:30.509 Phil James: We'll take that as a no. 670 01:04:30.950 --> 01:04:31.270 Alejandro Nuno: Nice. 671 01:04:31.270 --> 01:04:32.060 Mel Baker: the tape. 672 01:04:32.260 --> 01:04:33.480 Phil James: Anything else, anybody? 673 01:04:35.190 --> 01:04:35.880 Alejandro Nuno: Nope. 674 01:04:36.310 --> 01:04:42.100 Les Wright: I… I just wanted to give, you, Phil, a quick up… note, heads up, that… 675 01:04:42.460 --> 01:04:51.939 Les Wright: I'm getting back to scheduling, or trying to schedule oral history interviews, so I'm CCing you on everyone I'm reaching out to. 676 01:04:52.350 --> 01:04:52.940 Les Wright: Yeah. 677 01:04:52.940 --> 01:04:56.510 Phil James: I just got the… I got the one which was, what was it? 678 01:04:56.770 --> 01:04:57.160 Les Wright: the group. 679 01:04:57.160 --> 01:05:00.209 Phil James: Leo, Luisi, whoever it used to it, yeah. 680 01:05:00.210 --> 01:05:02.300 Les Wright: Yeah, yeah, he's in Thailand. 681 01:05:02.620 --> 01:05:03.270 Phil James: Yeah. 682 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.850 Mel Baker: Have you done Bear Dog Hoffman? 683 01:05:06.610 --> 01:05:08.740 Mel Baker: the guy who bought Bear Magazine. 684 01:05:08.900 --> 01:05:10.450 Les Wright: Mmm… no. 685 01:05:10.450 --> 01:05:12.530 Phil James: I think he's on our list, but we haven't… 686 01:05:12.530 --> 01:05:19.059 Mel Baker: Yeah, Bear Dog, I don't have any clue about his status, but yeah, you should get him, because he bought Bear Magazine from Ben. 687 01:05:19.660 --> 01:05:26.709 Les Wright: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I, let me make a note… The problem often… 688 01:05:27.610 --> 01:05:36.079 Les Wright: is, you know, contact. Oh, and the other thing, you know, as I mentioned before, I've been contacting… 689 01:05:36.300 --> 01:05:49.970 Les Wright: clubs outside the U.S. through their Facebook pages, and I never hear back from them. I always have to have a personal referral. When I did that, the posting about the Toulouse Bears the other day. 690 01:05:49.970 --> 01:05:50.660 Phil James: Right. 691 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:58.409 Les Wright: I went through my records, and I've contacted them 3 times since 2023. 692 01:05:58.990 --> 01:06:05.720 Les Wright: Yeah. And now that someone who knows him gave him a heads up that he'd be hearing from me. 693 01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:07.970 Les Wright: He's responded. 694 01:06:07.970 --> 01:06:08.700 Phil James: Yeah. 695 01:06:08.700 --> 01:06:09.689 Les Wright: So, yeah. 696 01:06:11.500 --> 01:06:13.299 Phil James: Okay, anything else, anybody? 697 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:16.510 Alejandro Nuno: I'm good. 698 01:06:16.510 --> 01:06:20.480 Phil James: Our next scheduled meeting will be the… 699 01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:28.460 Phil James: Oh, we might be all busy in June, right? But the plan is… To have a meeting… 700 01:06:30.260 --> 01:06:39.310 Phil James: The second Saturday in June, so the 13th, we have time reserved for a meeting on the 13th of June, so that's the plan. 701 01:06:39.490 --> 01:06:41.490 Phil James: Our regular monthly meeting. 702 01:06:41.850 --> 01:06:49.840 Les Wright: I definitely won't be available. I'm marching in the Baron Leather contingent of our local Pride Parade at that very time. 703 01:06:50.020 --> 01:06:55.590 Phil James: Okay, you wanna… do you wanna do a meeting a different day? Or… June's gonna be hard for people, because it's… 704 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:57.109 Phil James: Pride Month. 705 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.619 Alejandro Nuno: Let me just skip that month, or… 706 01:07:00.620 --> 01:07:02.350 Les Wright: That's probably a good idea, yeah. 707 01:07:02.350 --> 01:07:03.010 Phil James: Okay. 708 01:07:03.390 --> 01:07:05.870 Phil James: Alright, we'll skip that, and then… 709 01:07:06.590 --> 01:07:10.439 Phil James: The plan then is for Saturday, July 11th. 710 01:07:13.980 --> 01:07:14.900 Les Wright: Alrighty. 711 01:07:15.100 --> 01:07:15.880 Alejandro Nuno: Sounds good. 712 01:07:17.650 --> 01:07:26.049 Phil James: I'm putting that in our notes. Next meeting, Saturday, July 11th, 2026, skip June. 713 01:07:28.510 --> 01:07:31.909 Phil James: Except I can't spell June… okay, great. 714 01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:33.280 Phil James: Alright, thanks for… 715 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:38.499 Les Wright: June is spelled P-H-E-I-G-H-T. 716 01:07:41.860 --> 01:07:45.460 Phil James: Okay… Got it. 717 01:07:47.160 --> 01:07:48.149 Phil James: Thanks, folks. 718 01:07:48.150 --> 01:07:49.000 Mel Baker: Okay. 719 01:07:49.120 --> 01:07:50.310 Mel Baker: Take care. 720 01:07:50.510 --> 01:07:55.289 Mel Baker: See ya. Bye-bye. Les, let's talk a week, not… Les, a week from now. 721 01:07:55.560 --> 01:07:56.410 Les Wright: Okay. 722 01:07:56.410 --> 01:07:58.869 Mel Baker: It doesn't have to be… a weekday is fine, too, but…